Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/11/2008 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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*+ HB 311 BUDGET: CAPITAL, SUPP. & OTHER APPROPS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 54 CONSTRUCTION OF LEGISLATIVE HALL TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 357 CLAIMS AGAINST REAL ESTATE LICENSEES TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ HB 414 CRIME VICTIM COMPENSATION FUND TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 311                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An   Act  making   appropriations,  including   capital                                                                    
     appropriations,   supplemental    appropriations,   and                                                                    
     appropriations to  capitalize funds; and  providing for                                                                    
     an effective date.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:59:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze  MOVED to ADOPT work  draft 25-GH12007\C,                                                                    
Kane,  3/8/08  as  the  version   of  the  bill  before  the                                                                    
Committee.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  commented that the  adopted work draft  is a                                                                    
stripped  down version  of the  Governor's proposed  capital                                                                    
projects  including federal  funds  and associated  matches.                                                                    
It will provide a base capital  budget.  He noted the Senate                                                                    
had  adopted a  companion bill  to HB  311.   Co-Chair Meyer                                                                    
invited  Ms. Rehfeld  to speak  to the  $42 million  dollars                                                                    
mostly for specified technology (IT) system-wide changes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:01:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN REHFELD,  DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND BUDGET,                                                                    
OFFICE  OF THE  GOVERNOR, discussed  how the  Administration                                                                    
arrived  at the  proposed  budget.   In  December 2007,  the                                                                    
Administration   rolled  out   a   two   year  plan,   which                                                                    
anticipated  additional expenditures  in FY08  to be  funded                                                                    
through  the supplemental  bills.    Additionally, they  had                                                                    
requested  the  use of  FY08  surplus  for additional  costs                                                                    
associated with  capital projects.  Overall,  the intent for                                                                    
the  FY09 budget  was  to keep  total  General Fund  dollars                                                                    
including  the  capital  & operating  expenditures  with  an                                                                    
increase over FY08 of about 4.5%.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
When the  Administration moved  through the  budget process,                                                                    
identifying  areas that  needed change  for FY09,  including                                                                    
some "must haves" even though,  all of the projects were not                                                                    
included.    There  were many  projects  the  Administration                                                                    
hoped  to include  in the  budget, but  simply did  not have                                                                    
adequate  General  Funds.     In  FY08,  the  Administration                                                                    
requested  a  total  of $34  million  General  Fund  surplus                                                                    
dollars.  She believed the  intention was clear and included                                                                    
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in the capital  budget bill with a June 30   effective date.                                                                    
The  total amounted  to $29  million  General Fund  dollars.                                                                    
For  FY09, there  are  twenty-seven  requested IT  projects,                                                                    
totaling  $24 million  of  which, $2  million  of which  are                                                                    
General Fund dollars.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:05:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  questioned  if   even  though  the  IT                                                                    
expenses are  necessary, the  Administration decided  not to                                                                    
place them in  the operating budget because  then they could                                                                    
not  meet the  4.5% limit  funding  for FY09.   Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                    
clarified that the 4.5% increase  was a benchmark number the                                                                    
Administration  attempted to  achieve for  FY09 capital  and                                                                    
operating   budgets.     Additionally,  the   Administration                                                                    
requested  the use  of  $34 million  dollars  from the  FY08                                                                    
surplus.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara   understood  that  the   Governor  was                                                                    
attempting to  reach a 4.5%  budget increase  projection and                                                                    
in  order to  meet  that  goal was  proposing  use of  funds                                                                    
outside FY09 dollars.  He  emphasized that action creates an                                                                    
artificial  budget goal.   Ms.  Rehfeld  countered that  the                                                                    
Administration has  attempted to  separate the two  years in                                                                    
isolation  but  rather  roll  out  a  comprehensive  package                                                                    
indicating expenditures and savings.   She acknowledged that                                                                    
clearly the  Legislature will  have opportunities  to change                                                                    
that plan.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:08:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  identified the $2.66  million federal                                                                    
fund sources & the $5.2  million IT funding source services.                                                                    
He asked where  those dollars originated from.   Ms. Rehfeld                                                                    
replied  that  fund  capitalization  occurred  in  the  past                                                                    
Enterprise Technology Services (ETS) fund.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker pointed  out that  the  other  funds                                                                     
had  not  been  reported  as General  Funds.    Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                    
thought it  could have originated  from other funds  used to                                                                    
pay agency  charge-backs.   She added  that a  discussion of                                                                    
the  Information Services  Fund  (ISF)  would require  other                                                                    
testimony.   She commented that the  capitalization had been                                                                    
included in the operating budget  and that the $5 million is                                                                    
a General  Fund expenditure.  Representative  Hawker pointed                                                                    
out that nearly all of  the $36.8 million dollars originated                                                                    
from the General Fund.  Ms. Rehfeld agreed.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:09:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  asked if the Administration  had used the                                                                    
master  lease line  of credit  to pay  for the  IT projects.                                                                    
Ms.   Rehfeld    deferred   that   question    because   the                                                                    
Administration is not proposing to  use that for the budget.                                                                    
She did not know if it had  been used in the past.  Co-Chair                                                                    
Chenault stated that  the credit line is  an issue currently                                                                    
on the  table and he  wanted to know  if it was  intended to                                                                    
use for IT projects.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara asked if the  Governor's proposal to pay                                                                    
down Teacher  Retirement System/Public  Employees Retirement                                                                    
System  (TRS/PERS)  debt  was   included  in  the  operating                                                                    
budget.  Ms. Rehfeld  responded that in the Administration's                                                                    
proposal that expenditure comes out of the FY08 surplus.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  stressed  it   is  important  to  make                                                                    
payment  toward that  debt and  be included  in the  capital                                                                    
budget this year.   Ms. Rehfeld advised that the  plan is to                                                                    
pay down the  TRS portion of the unfunded  liability so that                                                                    
it  would  reduce  the  annual  contribution  by  about  $43                                                                    
million  dollars.   The Alaska  Retirement Management  (ARM)                                                                    
Board supports that choice.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  questioned  if paying  down  the  debt                                                                    
could save  long-term dollars  for the  State.   Ms. Rehfeld                                                                    
stated the goal is intended  to relieve some of the pressure                                                                    
on  the  direct contribution  by  paying  down the  unfunded                                                                    
liability.  In order to pay  it down more quickly, the State                                                                    
will need to be more  aggressive, and some discussed options                                                                    
are using Pension Obligation (P.O.) bonds.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:12:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  stated  that  HB   311  would  be  HELD  in                                                                    
Committee for further consideration.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                

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